Unless...

Sep. 25th, 2011 10:30 am
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As soon as I posted that, I thought of one explanation that would satisfy me.

Just a hypothesis, mind you:

* Older Amy hated the Doctor with a passion
* After he lied to her and abandoned her to her death, she must hate him even more
* She's able to manipulate temporal technology, and has access to temporal engines on two-stream
* We only saw her be anesthetized, not killed
* We only have the Doctor's assertion that the treatment will kill a human. He may be wrong.
* Amy was not killed by the Silence in the White House bathroom. On the contrary, the Silence addressed her by name.

What if Older Amy survives and, twisted by her hatred for the Doctor, creates the Silence with the goal of having her own daughter avenge her?

Hmmmmmm?

In comments, please remember that I'm two or three weeks behind, and haven't seen anything past "The Girl who Waited."

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Date: 2011-09-25 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mabfan.livejournal.com
Wow. This would be brilliant.

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Date: 2011-09-25 03:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cnoocy
My response to "The Girl Who Waited" was this drabble.

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Date: 2011-09-25 03:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gingicat
That sounds AWESOME.

And now I'm thinking of the face of the woman with the eyepatch...

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Date: 2011-09-25 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michelel72.livejournal.com
Ohhh, that would be brilliant.

As for the male privilege, I agree that it was there — but I read it as a flaw with the characters rather than with the show, in this rare case. Yes, the Doctor tells Rory that the choice is his; yes, Rory first accepts that direction ... but older Amy is Not Having It, and Rory is soon converted to her point of view.

That assumption of privilege and refusal to entertain the prospect of both Amys, as well as the arrogance of assuming that older Amy "isn't real" (and the Doctor didn't really even believe himself for that one) and her pain can simply be undone, fit this Doctor perfectly. He's an arrogant prat who has abandoned her too many times and can't bear the thought she hates him for doing it yet again. It's possible the two-Amy paradox can't be sustained outside the TARDIS, but it wasn't until I saw him standing in the door that I realized he was about to pull a "Captain Jack at the Game Station" on her. (They played the tropes effectively enough that I was sure she would be killed by the 'bots while defending Rory and younger Amy; by the time I processed that they hadn't gone there, I only just had time to realize where they were going.)

To me, these were noxious actions by flawed characters, but I thought the narrative actually underlined the wrongness. The Doctor was not portrayed as a hero in the end for his actions, and Rory called him out (and noted with disgust that the Doctor was pushing the rigged decision on him, to absolve himself of responsibility for that decision). Ultimately, Amy did make the decision: She actually won Rory over to letting her in, and then she told him not to let her in after all. She chose to be erased rather than to doom her younger self. Yes, the game (and her choice) is still rigged ... but ultimately older Amy did choose, and Rory made it clear that his allegiance was to her rather than to the Doctor. So — again, to me — this was a rare case in which the show got this stuff right.

This episode also actually made me think Amy/Rory is an actual thing and not a nauseating punchline. They're getting a touch better about showing it rather than leaving it as an Informed Attribute.

And yeah, Moffat has like six ideas total. "Young girl shaped by encounter with older man"; "two people living out different timestreams and/or one having to wait for the other, OMG so tragic"; "timey-wimey cleverness that eats its own head and makes no sense even on its own terms"; "the terrifying WTFery behind the everyday mask"; "het relationships are most entertaining when they're toxic and women are such shrewish harpies to their poor beleaguered blokes, amirite?"; and duplicates/clones/false copies. There are probably one or two more, but I'm getting heartily sick of those.

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Date: 2011-09-25 04:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] 530nm330hz.livejournal.com
I'll have to think about that. All I know is that when Rory said "Which wife do I want?" I nearly leapt of the couch to strangle him.

And speaking of timey-wimey cleverness that makes no sense even on its own terms --- if the point of twostreams is to let the person who's going to die in one day get to interact with the rest of their loved ones' lives, shouldn't the treatment facility have been on the OTHER timestream?

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Date: 2011-09-25 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michelel72.livejournal.com
The interpretation I've seen is that the virus kills in a day, so the accelerated timestream lets you live out your life in a day. It's only one day, so you don't really get all that hungry within the span of the Green Anchor day (hence why Amy didn't need to eat) and the virus doesn't kill you within the span of the Green Anchor day ... but you experience the passage of Red Waterfall decades, and your body ages according to the Red Waterfall time passage. Which makes no damn sense whatsoever. None. Quite literally on its own terms.

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Date: 2011-09-25 05:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jadelennox
That would be AWESOME. Because, yes, "The Girl Who Waited" had all the problems you name.

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